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[An overview of my Scientology pages & Disclaimer], [Introduction to Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard®], [A word about Criticism - ‘Critical responses received’ vs ‘My defense’],
[Scientology in media and Internet], [LRH™ vs Alterations (introduction)], [LRH vs Dictionaries], [Based on LRH publications], [Non-LRH turns into LRH? & Proposal to solution], [Story of the ‘Cramming Series’ - LRH or not LRH?], [LRH on the matter of evolution], [LRH vs pricing policies], [Scientology Q&A-session], [LRH vs Freeloaders & Ex-staff], [Membership: HASI vs IAS], [History of a Policy Letter - Introduction], [History of a Policy Letter (2) - Ethics Orders, Declares and defense], [The Fair Game Law - A detailed study], [Practice of Disconnection - A detailed study], [LRH vs A New Order (Predictions, RJ67, Black Dianetics, Conspiracy & Censoring)], [The copyrights issue and related matters (direct link)], [The whereabouts of L. Ron Hubbard chronology (direct link)], [LRH vs A New Order (2) (Changes in the flow of ‘information’, before and after)], [Treatise of the ‘Primary Rundown’ (direct link)], [Tracking the history of ‘Fast Flow Training’], [‘Golden Age of Tech’ analysis (direct link)], [An overview of drilling in Scientology], [Story of Mary Sue Hubbard (1931-2002)], [David Mayo project pages: ‘Clear’ defined; NED for OT's; Training drills; History of Grade Chart; etc.], [LRH and his works of fiction], [Holy Scriptures vs Scientology - A parallel] |
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Introduction to this page
This page intends to list various positive responses that I received to my Scientology pages. See, I have been approached in such ways as if something would be wrong about my pages or me for that matter, like in that it would be forbidden by policy letters (something) to discuss the subject of Scientology in the way that I have done, this in spite of that I provided an abundance of references from L. Ron Hubbard that tell that this is not the case. Some of those contacting me seemed to have erected some kind of stumbling block, which they wanted to have cleared and vaporized prior to having continued communication with me. Some figured that having a site like that I have, and say the things that I say, well, could such a person be in good standing with the Scientology community? Now, this kind of consideration actually greatly dumfounded me. First we have this fear factor coming out of nowhere, “what if ... ” and such and such ... So well, I was thinking, what did I do that was so terrible? Is Scientology not about free speech and all such things? Do we have no rights as individuals? Is it wrong wanting to make a difference? Should I not take responsibility for the things that I see and the knowledge that I possess?
Should I remain sitting in my ivory tower? People should realize that the sole reason why I did what I did, and are having these pages out there, and walked this path of enlightening research and analysis, that it was simply because I chose to follow my personal integrity. I ask you, what other reason could there be?
Just a few days ago I was accused of not following the Code of a Scientologist, the argument accompanying the accusation was that I should not discuss the things that I talk about on my pages, meaning out on the Internet in the open, but to take it up with the right terminal within the organization. This argument however is not even found in the listing of the points of the Code of a Scientologist. The full Code of a Scientologist you find
here (link will open as a pop-up window). People should understand that Scientology is not about opinion, it is about what it says that it is, but not all people can get this into the right perspective unfortunately. This appears to be a problem for those being the opponents of Scientology who condemned it altogether, but also for those who claim that they support it, but somehow got ‘entangled’ in it.
A first attempt to react upon responses which I received in regards to my Scientology pages was my page ‘Criticisms to my Scientology pages - My defense’
(see Scientology index page). It appears that various have a serious misunderstanding about this thing called criticism, who ever said that this would be something bad? Well, that page clarifies this most definitely! In particular the quotations taken from the works of Jiddu Krishnamurti and L. Ron Hubbard in the first chapter are enlightening. But here I was, focusing on the critical responses. Finally I realized that a page in where the appreciation of my various readers comes into light should not be absent! Well, hereby this has been done! Any of these responses are fully authentic, the responses are presented here as I received them. If I deleted something (for identity protection or irrelevant parts in the communication) I have indicated this with ‘...’. Obvious spelling errors I corrected. The identity of any of these persons are fully protected and will never be disclosed to anyone, so don't ask. If any that are contacting me in the future fear to be quoted on this page, please do not fear. I will always ask first and respect your wishes.
If I don't hear back from you, I assume it is alright. The responses that are not anonymous have specifically requested me to publish their name!
Note: By far not all responses that I received are in fact suitable to be placed here, they may be too technical of nature, too personal, or other ... Others may be added later as soon as I have gone through the remainder of my email boxes. It is intended to be just a selection ... I have just spend 2-3 hours or so creating this page, scanning my email boxes, and putting together these paragraphs, so this is it for now!
I wrote the foregoing text in September 2005. In the interim I have expanded on that.
Appreciative responses received to my pages
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Subject: Thank you
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:39:28
Dear Michel,
I just found your site. Brilliant work and great reference.
I want to thank you for putting it there and giving the data the way you do. Find your own truth!
Keep it up please.
Thank you, very very much.
D.
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:42:48
Dear Michel,
I like your pages because they make a very good, complete, and quite scientific study of scientology subjects that are in question, must be questioned and should be worked over, as you do.
Having done my own research on many things, I realize that this is a very involved job and know what it takes to just tackle one subject. You do that with many subjects and I appreciate it. I can use your website as a reference to difficult and often controversial points. There are no conclusions. Just the data. Make your own conclusions from that. My motto: Find your own truth. And it fits with that.
So, yes, great job.
Thanks again.
Sincerely,
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005
Subject: Your website
Michel,
Thank you for the work that you have done, the passion
and intrigue you have followed in putting your
thoughts to bytes. (Not paper anymore, but electronic
bits and bytes.) Anyway, it is good to see some sanity
reign in this arena.
I have seen too many who do not apply simple basics of
critical analysis, i.e. a proper data evaluation. And
as you've stated, many find that data which supports
their belief windows, their paradigms. And they find
that which destroys others' belief systems. As you
state at the end of one of your pages, “What is
important though, is what you do with the information.
Don't let anyone tell you what is true for you!”
As a Class VIII C/S and long-term staff member quite
familiar with the OEC policy and Scientology for 30
years, I just wanted to pass along some theta
acknowledgement. So thanks.
Best,
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005
Dear Michel,
I wonder how many hours research and writing you have put in your
quite impressive website. You don't shy away to go in the smallest
details to get your point across. We Scientologists want Scientology
written by L. Ron Hubbard and nobody else because we know him as our
friend and a researcher like no other. Therefore, any effort by you
trying to get on the button of what are his originals, and what not,
is highly appreciated.
I noticed however that your website is nothing for a quick read.
Dictionary and especially the demokit is a must in order to follow you
on your discovery journey.
In Ron's sense, who said that the truth will come out always,
I remain with best regards,
B. |
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007
Subject: Thanks for your info
I am very happy to see your home page, very informative. I had the fortune of meeting J. Krishnamurthi at the Rishi Valley school in Karnataka India. I am equally thrilled to read about Ron and Corelli.
Regards, T.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007
Yes, I came to know about scientology only through your homepage. In fact I lived for a short while in Los Angeles last year and this year also I have planned to go, I passed thru Ron Hubbard Way, I did not know why that road has been named after him.
Now I know about his greatness, and I also quite often visit scientology.org and I am very happy to see your profound insight into the religious and philosophical lives of these great men like JK and LRH.
All the best for your interest in the subject and thank you for sharing your knowledge through internet.
Thanks, T.
Flautist, Kanjira Player and Violinist (from India)
(JK = Jiddu Krishnamurti, LRH = L. Ron Hubbard) |
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005
Subject: Mimeo
Hi Michel,
I am rather intrigued by your knowledge of Mimeo Issues. You and I share a common
reality here. Just need to know if you are in good standing before I develop the comm
line. I am currently on Staff as a staff auditor in New York and I have 17 years
of advanced Mimeo experience under my belt.
Just let me know that all is cool on your end. I did look at your site and haven't seen any reference to negative sites and that's cool and an acknowledging you for the obvious love of Mimeo issues.
Darren Desepoli
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005
Subject: New page out
Hi Michel,
You are a total competent thetan! This new page is truly awesome.
Your comparison of our basic Scientology principles to various
religious proverbs etc., is totally creative, and original to say the least.
As far as eating it - um very delicious!
And all of your pages have been extremely helpful to me especially
the Suppressive Acts chrono page, Ex-staff and free loader page etc
as I've lived through and observed these issues coming into Mimeo
FLB in their updated formats.
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Posted on a Scientology forum on the Internet
Date: 28th & 30th May 2007
Subject: Analysis of Church writings
Hello,
I spent all weekend reading a very nice site of a Scientologist.
I suggest critics and good standing scientologist to read it.
I enjoyed most the Disconnection topic, but the entire site is worth reading.
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scientology/hubbard.html
What I like about this site is that it does not give you conclusions nor bypassed charge, just investigate facts.
M.
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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005
Subject: Your website - very informative!
Hi Michel,
I visited your site based on the recommendation in the email - and I
thought I'd seen every site on Scn on the Internet, but somehow hadn't
seen this, and it was one of the best I've ever seen. I sent it right
away to a few friends. ...
Also, your attention to history is wonderful. I studied history and
have written about history; my focus has been the history of
progressive social movements. In this context, the importance of
original documents cannot be overstated. And something that is so
rational about the issuance of HCOBs and PLs is that by the notations
of R, RA, RB, you can pull originals, and when the mimeo issues are
used, the use of different typefaces to indicate revisions give every
single document a deep sense of history. This is so tied into the idea
that “if it isn't written, it isn't true.” Scientologists can have
confidence in what is written partially because of this - you can make
sure what is written is accurate and authentic. Following the history
of a particular issue can be so instructive - I've certainly found it
to be, and the extensive treatment you provide here is invaluable. ...
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think sites like yours are very good for Scientologists and the Church
for a few reasons - of course because they address extant issues, but
more than that, they do not provoke negative or nattery *criticism*,
in fact it does quite the opposite, people already think about these
issues and go through a lot of confusion and doubt about whether they
should think or talk about them - seeing your site is instead a
message that “we can talk about these issues and we can fix them
where outpoints exist.” It builds confidence.
C.
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005
Subject: (About references and Qual Libraries)
Hi Michel, ...
...All of those things in that issue type were there for a
reason, to ensure the history of where it came from were built into
the document itself. It is a tragedy to have those things erased. ... There is only benefit to be gained from a good, thorough
library. After all, who is going to pick up an old altered issue that
has been cancelled and run it? Also, if these issues were altered so
badly, they should certainly be available for reference so that people
can follow the issue line and see what went wrong and its correction.
It keeps mysteries also from being created - there is always Internet
discussion about missing issues, unavailable issues, versions of
issues that cannot be retrieved. LRH insisted upon a historical
reference line. That is why it has always existed! Leave aside all
concerns about management as it exists today. If LRH could not keep
all those who would alter materials in a destructive way off the lines at all times, why would all future management be able necessarily to
do so? If the historical reference and issue lines are no longer clear
and widely available, these problems become much more difficult to
report and to correct after discovery. I am hardly an expert - but
rather than being a KSW problem to keep cancelled issues (marked as
cancelled of course) in Qual libraries, I think it presents a KSW
problem to obscure the issue line, because the ability of people to
guarantee that they do have the correct technology is taken away when
revisions aren't clearly designated and can't be compared to
originals.
C.
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005
Subject: Your FreeLoader page.
Whoever you are, I THANK YOU! :) Myself and my husband were Class V Org Staff Members for 3 dedicated years and we gave EVERY OUNCE of our blood,sweat,tears,soul,money,time,intention,etc to COS and we're stuck with huge F/L bills!
I will study your F/L page in more detail, but wanted to thank you SO much, I've ALWAYS thought LRH didn't write enough on the subject or that maybe P/L's were altered.
S. |
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004
Subject: About ‘fair game’, ‘disconnection policy’, etc..
Michel,
Thank you for taking the time to research, compile and host this
informative site. You've pointed out some interesting and significant
ambiguities in the two policies which have perhaps contributed most to
CoS's overall negative reputation and general bad karma, especially
the disconnect policy, which has been the source of tremendous loss,
grief and upset. You might also want to research what LRH said about
ethics vs. justice, and how this might apply to a Scientologist who is
connected to a clam, I mean a Kike, I mean a nigger, I mean a goon, I
mean a wop, I mean a Chink, I mean an SP (sorry, it's hard to keep the
verses straight while singing the same tune. [You get the idea.]).
Ethics is considered a personal matter, and if an individuals'
personal conduct/contacts is not doing harm to the group then there
should exist no need for justice actions, particularly when the
justice action would cause far more harm than good, both to the
individual and the group, which enforced disconnection achieves more
often than not. In other words, it should be the individuals'
decision whom they are, or are not, connected to, which is the norm
for about age three on up. Soooo BIG!!! (arms held high). If one
such connection is that of a declared SP, then said connection should
be able to continue unimpeded by outside influences, left up to the
personal decision/self-determinism of the individuals involved.
Of course, the other side of this equation is that the declared SP
should be respectful enough of the Scientologist and their beliefs to
not harangue them, as well as valuing the contact more than valuing
the need to impose their negative views on Scientology, which may well
fizzle to a dull thud over time. To do otherwise could serve as the
flip side of the MAA's role. The idea is to practice the ‘Live and
Let Live’ policy, and can be quite effective toward peacefully
co-existing with loved ones whom we desire to have in our lives.
I sincerely hope the day comes when the practice of enforced
disconnection within CoS and elsewhere is all but released and falls
away.
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005
Subject: Found your site
Hi there.
I was searching LRH on google, and found your site.
I'm very happy I did. I've told all my friends about it already. ...
Your site is very balanced and sane, and full of useful information and observations and viewpoints. ...
F.
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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005
Subject: Hello & Regarding your site
Hi Michel,
Just spent a bit of time looking thru your site, specifically the pages you have devoted to Scientology. You have done quite a good job of researching and presenting much of the data you have. The depth and detail are much greater than one finds usually on the internet.
I wanted to ask if you are in fact a Scientologist, specifically are you in good standing with the Church and are you active and affiliated with the Church of Scientology. (i.e. are you declared or disavowed or operating independently of the official church.)
The reason why I ask you this directly is that I would in fact like to have further communication with you. I have some input regarding a few matters, but at this time I am not willing to be in open communication with you if you are not in good standing. I am still affiliated with the Church and am on-lines and wish for now to keep it that way. But I do need to know really what your “official” standing is. (Just so I know up front please.) I would also like to know what your training level is and if you have any previous staff experience. (Seriously not intended as an interrogation! I am actually just curious on these last points.)
I have been in Scn since 1988 and have a fair bit of previous staff experience (I am a tech trained (both pre and post GAT) and have been very active in Scn since I walked thru the door. I have done a good amount of research very similar to yours but in different matters, many of a technical nature. Thus your site was very appealing to me and I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best,
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006
Subject: [your site]
What a fabulous web site!
Thanks for sharing.
It is wonderful that someone took so much time and effort to document and explain this to others. What a wonderful gift!
T. |
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Commendations and various
RTRC Director CMOI
Via RTC Reports Officer |
Very Highly Commended
Michel Snoeck - Goteborg, Sweden
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cc: All Concerned
Michel Snoeck |
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Two Mimeo Experts Join Forces And Finalize Listing Of OOD’s Issues In
Record
Breaking Time To Forward To LRH Technical Research And Compilations Unit
Dear RTC Reports Officer,
Recently, Michel presented me with his query concerning LRH OOD’s issues being compiled and issued as HCOBs and HCO PLs rather than being left in tack under their own issue type. He felt that by editing out the Sea Org phrasing does not justify them being issued as HCO PLs thereby becoming policy for all. He also noted that certain OOD’s issues became cancelled by mentioning that it was not the wish of LRH for them to have been issued as an HCO PL, only then to be restored as an HCO PL at a later date. He feels that one can indeed publish these OOD's, by compiling them and issuing them (as they were), with the title “Compilation of LRH OOD's from the *A*P*O*L*L*O*” (or something) etc.
I answered his query to the best of my ability and mentioned that it would be presented to RTRC into a future compilation of mine. I also mentioned that the ground work indexing, of the seven HCOBs and the seventy-one HCO PLs compiled from the OOD’s, were basically completed from my end where I have noted the exact reissue dates used to restore them along with the later date they were changed from.
Michel then asked me for my entire listing of OOD’s issues and in all honesty, I just hit a few buttons and had this compilation completed in under a minute and into the following format:
HCOBs / HCO PLs ISSUED FROM AN OOD’s ITEM |
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Issue |
Title |
Revised |
Reissued |
Changed From |
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| 14 January 1969 |
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SPECTATORISM |
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13 January 1991 |
13 September 1980 |
| 22 May 1969 |
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ORDERS VERSUS ARBITRARIES |
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13 January 1991 |
6 October 1980 ... |
Then per the definition of OT contained within HCO PL 14 January 1969 I OT Orgs, Michel got real busy and finalized this entire compilation himself. Having a little experience in the area of Mimeo, I have to highly commend Michel as his compilation is a true work of Art! Let us review an extract of the new format his creativity has added to his compiling of the finalized version.
Michel decided to switch my format where he lists the OOD’s issues as they were originally released before their dates were changed in 1991. In his second column, he makes note of the exact initials of the person who was responsible for issuing the OOD’s as an HCO PL/HCOB, where the initials “SA” in this case refers to Sherry Anderson. In his third column, he uses an asterisk symbol to note that the particular OOD’s issue can be found under its 1980 date within the 1986 OEC Volume 0. He then lists the exact Reissue Date used to change the date of the OOD’s issue as it exist today depicted in the final column.
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Reissued |
Exists now as: (orig OOD’s date) |
| HCO PL 4 Aug 80 |
SA |
Justice - Correct Application |
9 Jan 1991 |
HCO PL 17 May 71 |
| HCO PL 28 Aug 80 I |
SA |
Cause |
13 Jan 1991 |
HCO PL 26 Mar 75 |
| HCO PL 28 Aug 80 II |
SA |
Violence |
13 Feb 1991 |
HCO PL 16 Jul 71 |
Michel Snoeck’s Masterpiece “HCO PL’s/HCOB’s Originally Issued As OOD’s” Compilation |
It should also be known that Michel spend numerous hours researching all the exact issue numbers that were assigned to the original 1980 dated OOD’s issues, where this was a “to be continued” endeavor on my end. He also reexamined every OOD’s issue taking careful notice where text was deleted and noting that the issue should have been Revised Therefore, these are other examples of his true Professionalism and thoroughness that he implemented into this compilation making sure it was truly accurate.
This is True,
Darren Desepoli
Mimeo Project Crusader
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Michel
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This page revised:
2 May, 2010
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